MMR Vaccine
My 17 year old daughter has come home from school telling me that there has been an outbreak of mumps in her year at school and that she will be given the MMR on Thursday. Apparently 6th formers can give their own consent.
She did have the MMR as a baby as it had just come out and this was before the scare and I also got my son done who was 2 at the time. However, I think if I had a baby now, I would do whatever I could to get the vaccines done separately. I know that the authorities deny any connection of MMR and autism, but does anyone know if there are any risks if older people have the vaccine.
Incidentally, she was supposed to have her third Hep jab on Thursday (a month later than it should have been as we had other things going on). We're now having to postpone this again and I'm waiting to speak to my practice nurse for her advice.
Any comments would be much appreciated.
Lesley
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Nothing helpful, but just to say one of my son's friends (aged 21) has just had mumps too. I wonder if there's more going around because of the non-compliance with MMR
Sharonx
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My daughter is just about to have her booster MMR jab - she is nearly 7, I put it off and put it off, but now am happy for her to have it.
I know there has been a thread about this before if you hunt around!
I don't know that the single vaccines are any safer - I was told by a nurse that they are unregulated coming into the country, and so are not always in refridgerated lorries as they should be.
There has recently been an article showing that although the take up of the MMR vaccination has fallen dramatically, the incidence of Autism is still rising, not falling. This is partly due to so many more children being diagnosed, and also the including of those on the "Autistic Spectrum". EDIT here is the link for this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4311613.stm
I have heard that there is expected to be an outbreak of measles in the non to distant future, again due to the fall in the number of children having the MMR injections. Another one to worry about!
Karen x
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aah the infamous MMR...
there is something that I think was called the second hit. which is when a child had the vaccine originally at around a year old and then when they had the second vaccine at 4 or 5 thats when things started to go wrong, children that were speaking stopped etc etc....
the reason for the second vaccine was apparently a percentage 20 or 25 I think were not covered the first time around this second one at school age was supposed to then cover them. They are now suggesting three hits of this vaccine as obvioulsy the second one is obviously not getting them all although I havent seen the stats yet.
one of the original selling points of this was that it was only one injection instead of the three single ones. well so much for that.
Both my boys have had individual ones (Harvey has one left to do) and you know it works because of the reaction!!!!!! i am not aware of any of the single vaccines ever in the governements time having to be repeated because they didnt do the job properly the first time...
I wonder when the powers will wake up and realise how much this is costing the country and essentially not working. but no instead they are looking at making it a 4 or 5 in one including chicken pox...
anyway off my soap box, if it were me, i would go to the doctors and get a blood test which should be able to show what has taken if any of the three and get the single ones of the ones that havent.
Tigs
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Hi all,
My wife works with autism and says that any link between MMR and autism is complete rubbish - don't have a go at me!
I thought that the innoculations we have as children do run out, whereas many people think they are for life. So if your child is 17 then perhaps it is time to have boosters. Ask her to get a medical card so they can be all recorded, this will save her time and possibly money when she wants to travel in the future.
Russell
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To be honest, I have very mixed views on this. My son is on the autistic spectrum, but I know it wasn't caused by the vaccine as he was older and was already showing signs of his Asperger Syndrome.
If I had time, I would probably get Lauren's immunity levels checked, but the outbreak at school is now and it takes a few weeks for the immunity to kick in anyway. I also think there is a possiblity of a measles outbreak on the way.
I have read that there should be two doses of MMR and I cannot remember if my two had them (I know that they had at least one).
I've also found out that measles immunity lasts up to 30 years, 23 years for rubella and only 19 years for mumps, so they do need a booster.
I also heard recently that in Japan, they had stopped giving their children the MMR jab and that autistic spectrum disorders were still rising.
Having balanced things up, I think that I will let Lauren have the jab on Thursday.
Thanks for all your input.
Lesley
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My friend's son has a problem from having the jab as a babe. Now 11 he will always be 'behind' at school and have some behavioural problems, such as not recognising words and simple instructions. They battled and battled to get him into mainsrteam school, but he will always need looking after. They were obviously gutted at finding this out, as any parent would be.
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I saw an interesting programme on the TV about Autism.
A woman had three sons each of which didn't have the MMR jab.
The first two at about the age of two developed autism. The third boy at about 1 year old had a biscuit in his hand, went into the garden then returned shortly afterwards crying and dragged his mother outside and pointed to the biscuit which he had wedged into the spout of a watering can.
From this moment on she realised that this son was not autistic and also realised that other two would never have reacted in the way he did to losing his biscuit.
She did say the autism became markedly apparent when they reached two and this was the age that children often have the jab and people are inclinded to put two and two together.
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Maddie went to have her booster MMR today. She was very brave and I was very proud of her (she is 6). I worried more about the possiblilty of the reported Measles epidemic they are expecting if I didn't have it done.
I too have read so much that now seems to contradict the link with autism, I guess the truth of it is we will never know for sure. They have said that some children seem to have something in their gut which may react to the vaccine, but who knows?
Karen x
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they do the first mmr jab around 13months now....
my take is if you have a healthy family history with no autoimmunie disease history then i would, if there is a history of any of the autoimmune dieseases or conditions then to exercise caution, yes kpuk total agree with you statement re the gut...
Tigs
x
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I called my practice nurse today to find out when it would be safe for Lauren to have her hepatitis jab, having had the MMR today. She told me she thought it was about 6 weeks. That's too vague for me. The leaflet that came with the jab says to ask advice from your surgery nurse!!
So unless anyone knows here how long in between different jabs, I guess I'll be calling NHS Direct tomorrow.
Lesley
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if you're looking for a safe alternative to vaccination a homeopath can adminster what i believe is called a nosode, could be wrong on the name tho. this is similar but uses much smaller doses to trigger the immune response. i should add that my daughter has not had any vaccinations since she was 3, when i started investigating them. the clincher came when one of the largest suppliers of measles vaccine had a huge batch that was going to hve to be junked as it was getting to its 'use by' date. surprise surprise, the following month all the GPs ran a massive measles vaccination campaign. am i cynical or was this pure coincidence? my nephew, who is now 6 has never had a vaccination in his life and is the healthies child i know. admittedly, he has a very good diet.
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I agree NorthernLights, (they are called nosodes), they are for humans and animals (pups & kittens too :) )
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I to support homeopathic treatment.
When my children were young (my oldest is 28) there was the scare that the whopping cough vaccine caused brain damage.
Mine had homeopathic prevantive treatment for this. My son did get whopping cough but very mildly. They never had MMR in those days so mine never had it. They did I believe have a measles jab. My son got mumps but it was just considered a childhood illness and my daugher had the rubella jab in her teens.
I did know of someone who's daughter contracted measles and was very ill and this led to brain damage so I felt it was worth getting that done.
She did have the MMR as a baby as it had just come out and this was before the scare and I also got my son done who was 2 at the time. However, I think if I had a baby now, I would do whatever I could to get the vaccines done separately. I know that the authorities deny any connection of MMR and autism, but does anyone know if there are any risks if older people have the vaccine.
Incidentally, she was supposed to have her third Hep jab on Thursday (a month later than it should have been as we had other things going on). We're now having to postpone this again and I'm waiting to speak to my practice nurse for her advice.
Any comments would be much appreciated.
Lesley
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Nothing helpful, but just to say one of my son's friends (aged 21) has just had mumps too. I wonder if there's more going around because of the non-compliance with MMR
Sharonx
Answers:
My daughter is just about to have her booster MMR jab - she is nearly 7, I put it off and put it off, but now am happy for her to have it.
I know there has been a thread about this before if you hunt around!
I don't know that the single vaccines are any safer - I was told by a nurse that they are unregulated coming into the country, and so are not always in refridgerated lorries as they should be.
There has recently been an article showing that although the take up of the MMR vaccination has fallen dramatically, the incidence of Autism is still rising, not falling. This is partly due to so many more children being diagnosed, and also the including of those on the "Autistic Spectrum". EDIT here is the link for this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4311613.stm
I have heard that there is expected to be an outbreak of measles in the non to distant future, again due to the fall in the number of children having the MMR injections. Another one to worry about!
Karen x
Answers:
aah the infamous MMR...
there is something that I think was called the second hit. which is when a child had the vaccine originally at around a year old and then when they had the second vaccine at 4 or 5 thats when things started to go wrong, children that were speaking stopped etc etc....
the reason for the second vaccine was apparently a percentage 20 or 25 I think were not covered the first time around this second one at school age was supposed to then cover them. They are now suggesting three hits of this vaccine as obvioulsy the second one is obviously not getting them all although I havent seen the stats yet.
one of the original selling points of this was that it was only one injection instead of the three single ones. well so much for that.
Both my boys have had individual ones (Harvey has one left to do) and you know it works because of the reaction!!!!!! i am not aware of any of the single vaccines ever in the governements time having to be repeated because they didnt do the job properly the first time...
I wonder when the powers will wake up and realise how much this is costing the country and essentially not working. but no instead they are looking at making it a 4 or 5 in one including chicken pox...
anyway off my soap box, if it were me, i would go to the doctors and get a blood test which should be able to show what has taken if any of the three and get the single ones of the ones that havent.
Tigs
x
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Hi all,
My wife works with autism and says that any link between MMR and autism is complete rubbish - don't have a go at me!
I thought that the innoculations we have as children do run out, whereas many people think they are for life. So if your child is 17 then perhaps it is time to have boosters. Ask her to get a medical card so they can be all recorded, this will save her time and possibly money when she wants to travel in the future.
Russell
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To be honest, I have very mixed views on this. My son is on the autistic spectrum, but I know it wasn't caused by the vaccine as he was older and was already showing signs of his Asperger Syndrome.
If I had time, I would probably get Lauren's immunity levels checked, but the outbreak at school is now and it takes a few weeks for the immunity to kick in anyway. I also think there is a possiblity of a measles outbreak on the way.
I have read that there should be two doses of MMR and I cannot remember if my two had them (I know that they had at least one).
I've also found out that measles immunity lasts up to 30 years, 23 years for rubella and only 19 years for mumps, so they do need a booster.
I also heard recently that in Japan, they had stopped giving their children the MMR jab and that autistic spectrum disorders were still rising.
Having balanced things up, I think that I will let Lauren have the jab on Thursday.
Thanks for all your input.
Lesley
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My friend's son has a problem from having the jab as a babe. Now 11 he will always be 'behind' at school and have some behavioural problems, such as not recognising words and simple instructions. They battled and battled to get him into mainsrteam school, but he will always need looking after. They were obviously gutted at finding this out, as any parent would be.
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I saw an interesting programme on the TV about Autism.
A woman had three sons each of which didn't have the MMR jab.
The first two at about the age of two developed autism. The third boy at about 1 year old had a biscuit in his hand, went into the garden then returned shortly afterwards crying and dragged his mother outside and pointed to the biscuit which he had wedged into the spout of a watering can.
From this moment on she realised that this son was not autistic and also realised that other two would never have reacted in the way he did to losing his biscuit.
She did say the autism became markedly apparent when they reached two and this was the age that children often have the jab and people are inclinded to put two and two together.
Answers:
Maddie went to have her booster MMR today. She was very brave and I was very proud of her (she is 6). I worried more about the possiblilty of the reported Measles epidemic they are expecting if I didn't have it done.
I too have read so much that now seems to contradict the link with autism, I guess the truth of it is we will never know for sure. They have said that some children seem to have something in their gut which may react to the vaccine, but who knows?
Karen x
Answers:
they do the first mmr jab around 13months now....
my take is if you have a healthy family history with no autoimmunie disease history then i would, if there is a history of any of the autoimmune dieseases or conditions then to exercise caution, yes kpuk total agree with you statement re the gut...
Tigs
x
Answers:
I called my practice nurse today to find out when it would be safe for Lauren to have her hepatitis jab, having had the MMR today. She told me she thought it was about 6 weeks. That's too vague for me. The leaflet that came with the jab says to ask advice from your surgery nurse!!
So unless anyone knows here how long in between different jabs, I guess I'll be calling NHS Direct tomorrow.
Lesley
Answers:
if you're looking for a safe alternative to vaccination a homeopath can adminster what i believe is called a nosode, could be wrong on the name tho. this is similar but uses much smaller doses to trigger the immune response. i should add that my daughter has not had any vaccinations since she was 3, when i started investigating them. the clincher came when one of the largest suppliers of measles vaccine had a huge batch that was going to hve to be junked as it was getting to its 'use by' date. surprise surprise, the following month all the GPs ran a massive measles vaccination campaign. am i cynical or was this pure coincidence? my nephew, who is now 6 has never had a vaccination in his life and is the healthies child i know. admittedly, he has a very good diet.
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I agree NorthernLights, (they are called nosodes), they are for humans and animals (pups & kittens too :) )
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I to support homeopathic treatment.
When my children were young (my oldest is 28) there was the scare that the whopping cough vaccine caused brain damage.
Mine had homeopathic prevantive treatment for this. My son did get whopping cough but very mildly. They never had MMR in those days so mine never had it. They did I believe have a measles jab. My son got mumps but it was just considered a childhood illness and my daugher had the rubella jab in her teens.
I did know of someone who's daughter contracted measles and was very ill and this led to brain damage so I felt it was worth getting that done.